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Post by tommyhetherington on Mar 3, 2010 21:08:46 GMT
Hi Andy, Strange one indeed One person got an eviction letter and then a second letter in answer to a question of the first letter confirming that yes he was been evicted.No my Dad did not get one but was told he was going to get one. When my dad told me what was going to happen to him my first reaction from shock was that he would have to fight this and he said no not this time that it was not in him anymore but he is very concerned about the older residents. Any military or ex military members would be aware that I cannot take up any cause or fight on behalf of people and as I already stated I agree with this. Tax Andy cannot be claimed back on rent paid to the Dept this was checked out a number of years ago. My 9 year old daughter said today yea know Dad the Curragh sure has a lot of History why is that? Because of people like us I said.
Tommy H
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Post by kathyo on Mar 3, 2010 21:10:34 GMT
hi all let me knew if i can do anything to help regards kathyo
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Post by andybrennan on Mar 3, 2010 21:18:46 GMT
Tommy,
Yes I know about your dads position you are quite clear on it,
As for tax refund grand that is cleared up.
As to the source of my Info on the eviction notices I will keep that to myself,
This does not mean that there is no cause for alarm.
Cheers tommy Regards to Tom
Andy
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Post by johnnykelly on Mar 3, 2010 23:14:36 GMT
Re:The Beginning Of the End, Hi All, today I made DISCREET enquiries from reliable sources re the residents in the Camp, and was informed that there was no plan to get rid of the x army personell from quarters, QUERY: the question is what are the Young Soldiers going to do for Quarters in the Curragh if they close down all the quarters in the Curragh Camp, especially now that the Banks are not lending to anyone, so no loans no civvy houses, so the newly married or those intending to get Married where are they going to live. when contacting local politicans request them to make discreet enquiries as we dont want to stir a hornets nest and make things difficult for our friends in quarters, I have a policy of if it is not in writing dont believe, but on the other hand dont trust the Politicans or departmental beauracrats in power go to the opositio put pressure on the guys in power. bye for now Johnny Kelly
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Post by Brendan on Mar 4, 2010 16:00:50 GMT
Hi to All: I sent another email to the Dept of Defence and called again. Negative response so far. I also sent Brian Cowen and Enda Kenny an email as indicated below. I encourage you to do the same. Their contact details are: www.fiannafail.ie/people/contact/brian-cowen/default/enda.kenny@finegael.ie Dear Taoiseach,
I am a concerned citizen and former resident of the Curragh Camp. Recently some long-term residents of the Camp, including widows and widowers, have heard a lot of conjecture about being evicted from the homes they have occupied for decades in the Camp. I understand that one resident may have actually received an official eviction notice.
I’m sure you will agree that it is wrong to evict good and honest people who have contributed to society ALL of their adult lives. The same soldiers’ and their spouses’ have stood by successive governments since the inception of the State. Wonderful citizens who built this country, and who made a real difference by bringing peace and stability to the country when it was most needed. I am abhorred by the way our model citizens are being treated after giving unquestionable service and loyalty to the country.
I respectfully request that the government take the appropriate action to put a stop to this debacle and to pay something back to those who’ve given everything to Ireland. They were there for the State when needed, I implore you to intercede and reciprocate their dedication to you and the State.
Sincerely,
Brendan Delaney New York (former Soldier and Curragh Camp Resident) Email: bpdelaney@yahoo.comPS Let's keep the pressure on.
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Post by kathyo on Mar 4, 2010 17:42:39 GMT
hi brendan well done, you are a natural born leader, i am so proud of you. tell me was their another school on the curragh camp i did not know abough? because you are so intellgent all the best kathyo
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Post by andybrennan on Mar 4, 2010 18:13:51 GMT
Nicely put Brendan,
You may get the fine tooth comb and magnifying glass to extract the spin put on any replies you get,
do you want us to send duplicate or edited version of your mail or wait off pending a reply
thus far I have had no response from any of the parties to my questions.
keep asking you are doing a mighty job
Andy
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Post by Brendan on Mar 4, 2010 19:21:59 GMT
Kathyo,
Thanks for your kind words. While in primary school, I learned little or nothing because of the fear factor. As an adult that level of fear soon diminished. While in the army I went back to the Curragh tech. So it's thanks to brilliant teachers like Pat Flynn, Theresa Costigan, Brian Donohue, Kieran and Mary Healy, Thomas Breathnach, Therese Harney and others that helped open something I never thought I had.
I believe the bold Andy Brennan is also a recipient of this great institution as a serving soldier.
Thanks,
Brendan
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Post by Brendan on Mar 4, 2010 19:28:11 GMT
Andy:
Feel free to copy and paste the message and add to it, or take from it as you see fit. I believe that there is power in numbers so if we can all reinforce the message to the powers that be, it may have a slow but positive impact.
Wait till Phase II, then everyone will pay attention.
Regards,
Brendan
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Post by andybrennan on Mar 4, 2010 19:45:01 GMT
Tis true Brendan
Not once but twice and I do thank the Army for allowing me the opportunity to avail of that education and all else that was provided to me during my army career
I enjoyed The Group Certificate and The Leaving Certificate and being taught by those you have mentioned a truly great time
Andy
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Post by andybrennan on Mar 4, 2010 19:47:12 GMT
On the ball Brendan.
I may edit just a little, Change the name of the sender
Andy
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Post by Brendan on Mar 4, 2010 20:57:33 GMT
Joey/Johnny:
Your input into the future path of the Camp adds a new dimension to the whole episode. You’ve educated me on what’s happening. It is now inevitable that the demise of the Camp is at hand from a married quarters’ perspective.
It is incumbent upon PDFORRA to take the enlisted soldier’s case and look for a similar deal to that of the Gardai get i.e., extra pay in the form of housing allowance etc.
Trying to sell that to the politicians is like serving butter milk in lieu of Guinness in Dail Eireann.
Brendan
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Post by rose5mcdonaghtce on Mar 4, 2010 21:50:55 GMT
Hi All,
Have been reading all the posts on the above subject, all the residents first need to obtain a copy of whatever was signed when the keys of the property were given, if anything like the wills made when the men were going overseas, fine if no one contested them, they were a uniform type document, badly stored, badly typed etc., a field day for a solicitor representing a disgruntled family member, you can write your will on a sugar bag, but when it comes to Probate and some one is kicking off, then the sugar bag becomes a problem and a feather in the cap of the contestor. Assume whatever was signed was similiar, would not think it was anything like a Tenancy Agreement, what conditions are laid down regarding occupation when the keyholder is no longer a serving member of the Defence Forces, if there is a condition stating that they must vacate quarters, the Dept have broken the terms of the agreement by not enforcing said condition. A notice to Quit has to be served then a summons to attend Court and the Judge decides if he will grant an Eviction Order. Is this first Notice to Quit they have received for the property they occupy, are rents still being taken since the notices were served.
With regard to the Local Authority having no record of receiving applications from residents, have the residents had an inspector out to assess their housing needs, if so, then their application was received. They need to ascertain their position on the housing waiting list if possible, as they are already housed and the Health Board make no financial contribution to rent payments they won't find themselves in the top twenty for sure.
Any residents that receive Notices to Quit should form a group and I would urge them to seek professional advice. Another point is how many residents no longer serving and the head of the household long gone were re-housed in quarters to allow the knocking ball make a hames of the place, replacements i.e. windows etc., to buildings that they want vacated so they can demolish them, no self respecting private landlord would spend money on a project he wanted vacated to reduce it to a pile of rubble and then ask a Judge to grant an eviction order using this as his plea to evict tenants who were not behind in rent payments had occupied the property for decades and were not causing any major disturbance. Any unprejudiced judge would have his work cut out making a decision to grant an order in favour of the Landlord in what appears to me to be a bit of a cat and mouse game, I remember meeting Ellie Coughlan, O'Higgins Tce., about six years ago in the same position she is now, stressed out and wondering what was going to happen next and it all blew over and here we are again, how disrespectful and unfair.
Another question that begs to be asked by residents is: Are the Department going to make a financial contribution toward the hardship that is going to be put upon residents trying to house themselves in the private sector.
I wish them all the best in what must be a very worrying time.
Rose.
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Post by rose5mcdonaghtce on Mar 4, 2010 21:53:54 GMT
Brendan, Andy and the crew keep up the good work.
Rose.
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Post by andybrennan on Mar 4, 2010 22:22:33 GMT
Rose,
Good points as usual from you.
To best of my knowledge serving soldier on receipt of Md Qtrs signed for the KEY of the said qtrs, and any item in that qtrs.
Although Wills were of a pro forma nature for persons going overseas the were legal binding documents witnessed according to law and overseen by the Legal Officer
As for a financial package for trauma distress etc for any overholder two hopes Bob and none.
Back to the question of Will's to the best of my knowledge any one can contest a will for a slice of the action and in quite a few cases get a bite.
Again probably wrong about my observations I usually am
Andy
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