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Post by afcmoore on Mar 3, 2010 0:15:43 GMT
Hi Folks. If you can send me any e-mail adresses so i can mail them a protest on what is happening in the Curragh regard notices to residents to vacate their homes. I think it would be good if we had a standard letter guide line to the wording of the e-mails which we send so they gain maximum effect. I will try to get others on board when more is known on the facts and what direction we should take.. Regards Anthony
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Post by tommyhetherington on Mar 3, 2010 9:51:17 GMT
Hi All Just posting these if you wish to contact anyone
Here are a few local TD's contact details.
Jack Wall TD jackwall@oireachtas.ie Sean Power TD seanpower@oireachtas.ie S O'Fearghaill TD sofearghaill@oireachtas.ie
Tommy
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Post by tommyhetherington on Mar 3, 2010 9:53:54 GMT
Me Again, They should get your mail as this is where they work Yes I can hear you laughing from here Guys stop it. Tommy
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Post by andybrennan on Mar 3, 2010 12:07:22 GMT
Hi Tommy
Done those e-mail address were returned as they did not belong to that establishment, so I went through the main parties sites no reply but can assure you that if I was donating I would have had no shortage of replies To be fair to those in power I have noticed when being televised that there are as many empty seats across the water and way up north,
Andy
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Post by afcmoore on Mar 3, 2010 12:43:20 GMT
Hi Andy. Bait the trap offer a large donation see if the rat takes the bait and then we'll bombard him with emails for his attention on the matters in hand. Cheers Capt Ant.
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Post by kellquinn on Mar 3, 2010 13:05:53 GMT
Hi All, On the subject of the draconian evictions, I am keeping a low profile at the moment as I am gathering facts, I have another thing to say at present, and it is, are these evictions actually going to take place? Or are the authorities only protecting there interests. Take for example, the Annual Perambulation of the Camp where the roads are closed to protect the rights of way of the Military. Is this not the case with the houses in Married Quarters, are they as Landlords not doing the same? In protecting there property against the Squatters rights scenario etc. I for one would not at this time awaken a Sleeping Giant until it is carved in stone that these evictions are really going to take place, as some bright spark just might say Hold on there! We have people living in the Curragh and elsewhere who are no longer serving members and are still living in Married Quarters, the light is switched on and the moths will gather! As I say I am in the process of fact gathering, and if it is the case that the evictions are going to take place you can be assured then, of my full and wholehearted support in trying to prevent same.
Regards to all JK
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Post by Brendan on Mar 3, 2010 14:17:29 GMT
Joey,
Good points. The only reason the army close the roads for one day a year is to maintain the fact that the roads are private under the law. If they failed to close the roads once over a 365 day period, they will automatically be deemed to be in the public domain, hence the army will brake the law if they close the road.
I understand the need to be cautious and to gather all the facts, but judging from the track record of the authorities and slimy politicians, it’s always the least represented in society that have suffered at their uncaring ineptitude. Based on Tommy H’s depiction of past events, I don’t think it hurts to solicit support for, what seems like, an inevitable conclusion for some of the residents. I think if we wait too long, and the eviction notices are issued, then the legal process kicks in and that’s a hard express train to stop.
Hopefully by our precipitous action with contacting the politicians, it may stall the surreptitious actions of the bureaucrats. As Tommy so eloquently phrased it, then the Beginning of The End will be complete. We can’t allow this to happen without trying our hardest to prevent this.
Just my thoughts,
Brendan
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Post by tommyhetherington on Mar 3, 2010 15:18:06 GMT
Hi Guys Small error in the E-Mail address for the TD's here are the correct ones sorry about that. Sean Power contacted me today by phone and will look into the situation. If You Google local Tds Kildare all their info is there.
Jack Wall TD jack.wall@oireachtas.ie Sean Power TD sean.power@oireachtas.ie S O'Fearghaill TD sofearghail@oireachtas.ie
Tommy H
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Post by tommyhetherington on Mar 3, 2010 15:26:40 GMT
Joey, See what your saying but if this was the case why have they not done this over the years. In 2003 there was a house fire in the Curragh no injuries but house damage and this is when property management said hold on who is this person in married quarters so they are well aware of the situation and we are not opening a can of wormsor awaking the giant Squatters rights in Ireland is not like our neighbours in England who have a whole lot of rights compared to this country. In the majority of case in the Curragh rent and ESB bills are deducted at source from pensions so in a way the Dept is in a contract of sorts in my opinion(Grey Area). So if you pay rent etc are you in the building Illegally? ? Tommy H
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Post by Brendan on Mar 3, 2010 16:56:40 GMT
Hi Tommy/Joey:
Just to add to Tommy's comments. When I served with the Police in the UK, the laws were (and I guess they still are) in favour of the squatters. The Curragh populace is far from this category.
I agree with Tommy, this issue involves people who have lived in the Camp for decades (40 & 50 + years). Good and honest living people who have contributed to society ALL of their adult lives, who built this country, and who made a real difference by bringing peace and stability to the state when it was most needed. Now they get a slapped and kicked by some management entity under the guise of a government department that treats them with disrespect.
Forgive my emotive feelings, but that’s the way I feel. Having said that I will stay focused and help out any way I can.
Thanks,
Brendan
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Post by tommyhetherington on Mar 3, 2010 17:28:11 GMT
Hi Guys, Busy Day Sean Power TD rang and is checking on the situation, I also got a call from Sean O'Fearghail in the last 20 mins both calls came from Leinster House so my quip earlier fell flat they were in today, the Latter TD will also see what can be done . I am very mindful of the fact that my Dad and another person has left the Camp and the situation may change and who knows there may be no evictions my Dad is aware of this since Day one but this is the choice we as a family have made but made by the threat of eviction. If by our actions of contacting TDs does now have an effect well then our Job is done. I think this will go ahead because they want to move serving soldiers and their families off the camp and if the serving members move then all will have to go. This could just be the way it will have to be. I would love to be able to see the reaction in Leinster House on recieving complaints from London and New York state about our homes and community, anyone from aussie land. Well put Brendan
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Post by tommyhetherington on Mar 3, 2010 17:30:01 GMT
Anthony, your a commandant not a capt, Capt Ant indeed. Tommy
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Post by kellquinn on Mar 3, 2010 18:56:03 GMT
Hi all. Tommy I think you hit the nail on the head in saying that all residents within the Camp confines will have to go eventually, this was always the long term plan, and now it seems that it is going to bear fruit, you can see the reason for Over holders (a term I hate) being the first in line for this, as those still serving would have a big Gripe if they were given the bullet first. You are right in saying that Rent etc is getting paid. But! The Minister is still the tenant! Health and safety is also another issue, it is well known that practically all the houses in the Camp are being left to rot and fade away, all done at cost saving, and it can be seen that the Minister’s main priority is maintaining training, dining and working establishments within the camp for the betterment of the Forces. This is where Health and Safety Act comes into play. This to would be another way of getting rid of the tenants as if they are not maintaining the houses it will lead to Health and Safety issues. Glad to see that some TDs have, or maybe will, take up the Gauntlet, but it is unusual that those who have approached so far did not know about it. I know that they are asleep sometimes while the Dáil is sitting and I still cannot imagine that it has come up in Dáil circles as of yet, so maybe those that have left may have done so in haste. Again just my opinion and still gathering info. My Full support is still the mandate in any action plan Initiated by the Forum members. Regards to all JKelly
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Post by andybrennan on Mar 3, 2010 19:40:37 GMT
Hi all
re the above,
Today I made inquires about eviction notices /letters within the Camp . I was told that none had yet been issued but that rumor had it that your dad Tommy had gotten one we know the answer to this, I was thinking might be worth Tommy's dad pursuing this thought, As he paid rent as a non serving member would he be entitled to a Tax Rebate for rent paid to a landlord namely the Minister for Defence. As the saying goes better in his pocket , or any one else that is paying RENT.
I know that the department had access to this rent through pension section but this would only apply to those on pension how or if rent was collected from non pensionable people I have not a clue
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Post by maryfarrell6 on Mar 3, 2010 20:56:06 GMT
Hi All, Tommy thanks for the TD's email addresses will certainly put them to good use. Glad to hear that at least one is taking up the gauntlet maybe a few more will follow suit as they receive more and more enquiries from concerned citizens! Joey I understand what you are doing and I'll wait for your findings as you are the man on the ground so to speak and can gather the relevant information. Like you I'm fully behind whatever is decided and will give my full support to whatever the plan of action is. Bye for Now MaryF
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