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Post by passed through on Sept 2, 2010 12:32:53 GMT
heard there was a new museum in the camp.coming to ireland after 40 years and visiting my old stomping ground.can somebody tell me where the museum is and is it open to the public or just military personnel.didnt live in pearse but had 5 lovely years in mcdonagh,but we cant all be perfect
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Post by tommysweeney1 on Sept 2, 2010 21:17:36 GMT
Hello, Passed through guest god thats a quare name.
anyway, the museum is located just in front of O Donnell's shop between it and Dobbin's old shop you cant miss it.You did not say when you were coming home the date for the official opening hasn't being announced yet but I imagine it will be this month sometime. If your home for the 24th of September you are welcome to meet up with the forum users we meet every now and then and will be meeting in Ceannt mess that night around 0830 or so. and you can use your real name we wont mind.
All the best now
Tommy S
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Post by trishsmullen on Sept 2, 2010 21:19:54 GMT
Hi Tommy S,
l think launching a campaign to save the last blocki standing is a great idea. I lived in two houses on that block No 2 and No 14 and I have all good memories of my time spent there, I would feel so sad if they were demolished. I am sure when all you lovely shadowers put your heads together you will come up with some great ideas to save our childhood homes. I know we will always have our memories, but it is always nice to go back and see the actual buildings where we grew up. Take care Tommy,
Trish S.
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Post by liamkearney on Sept 2, 2010 22:29:45 GMT
Joey, Hi Tommy, I have said several times that the powers that be should spend a few quid on the houses that are left and let Exers use them. They could take a few bob out of the pension every month, they could also let them use the dining facilities in the camp, the ONE/IUNVA committees could supervise the running of the operation. What do you think? Liam Kearney.
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Post by andybrennan on Sept 2, 2010 22:36:19 GMT
Tommy S,
While I agree with your thinking re The remaining Md Qtrs trying to stand. I have advocated that they and other Qtr should have been preserved but that alas has not come to pass and I do not envisage it happening either . I think rather all the old excuses of security, vandalism etc would be trotted out to be anti preservation of the Qtrs. The best I feel that we as Curragh or ex Curragh people can do and you Tommy have done the biggest part is to record each house and where they were and all members on the site can place where they lived from the list of quarters. Same applies to the school roll we all know our name as it was then ás gaeilge Andy / Aindreás
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Post by andybrennan on Sept 3, 2010 6:36:06 GMT
Hi Liam, I also put the same argument as you forward re the Qtrs and retired personal. That has as much chance of happening as preservation of the buildings. I along with many others have contributed towards a home for HOMELESS SOLDIERS when the call went out from Gen Savino Retd.
It appears that it is much more cost efficient to have Permanent sheep sh..e patrols in the camp and a multitude of fencing to curb the droppings and movements of the sheep, and more economic to bulldoze buildings, Surely this is the thinking of a future tea shock, arra would do ones head in.
Andy
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Post by Brendan on Sept 3, 2010 10:59:44 GMT
Hi Tommy S,
Great idea! Can you email me at bpdelaney@yahoo.com?
I'd like to brainstorm the options we have to preserve the building.
Thanks,
Brendan
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Post by tommysweeney1 on Sept 3, 2010 15:00:33 GMT
Hi Trish,
We are of the same thinking on this one every time I drive by I think of the same thing what a shame this is the only example left I know there are other houses in the camp but none like Pearse tce. Sorry you cant make the 24th we should have another one around Christmas (p.g.)and hopefully we will see you then.
Tommy S
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Post by tommysweeney1 on Sept 3, 2010 15:25:26 GMT
HI Andy,
Andy me owl flower I think your missing the point I know that the chance of them remaining as quarters or used for ex soldiers is nil I still maintain that they can be used by the military for something else and refurbished, and even if they used one of the houses as a walk in example of how people lived in the past and used the rest for army accommodation it would mean the block would remain and I think that would be good enough for me for one.
Tommy
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Post by tommysweeney1 on Sept 3, 2010 15:35:25 GMT
Hi Liam,
I know exactly were your coming from, I know that this was considered by the military and in fairness to them they handed over a house to the UN vets were I understand there are two or three ex soldiers living there, this area is outside the barrier and causes less of a security risk than probably pearse would. They also handed over a house to the curragh pride organization which is in used on a Daly basis so all is not lost when we get together we can have a chat about what can be done and how by the way I hope you will be in attendance on the 24th Sept?
Tommy S
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Post by teresap on Sept 3, 2010 17:09:37 GMT
Hi Tommy I was up home last week and had a lovely stroll around the Curragh, it was sad to see all Mcdonagh gone, but it was great to see the houses in Pearse, so it would be nice to keep them, as when my grand children are older it would be lovely for them to see the houses also. Teresa
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Post by andybrennan on Sept 3, 2010 18:41:43 GMT
Tommy S.
Not missing the point at all. my original concept of the Qtrs in the Camp, was that at least one of each type of block and other fine specimen of architecture which there, are / were, many varieties should be kitted out with the furniture etc of the different times, complete with the crockery etc of those times bearing the FF insignia what a fine walk in museum that might have portrayed, better then the moonscape that now exists. The only examples of fine military houses I fear that will remain, are those that are already in private hands, and are mostly outside or on the outskirts of the Camp. The powers that be are to be commended for allowing the use of the houses as stated by you for the purpose they are being used. But are they handed over to those organizations or just there for the use of those organizations???.
Andy
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Post by tommysweeney1 on Sept 3, 2010 20:30:33 GMT
Andy,
The organizations just have the use of them, the houses will never be handed over to them I think, but the alternative is for them to fall into decay at least now they are maintained, I would love to see that block in pearse preserved because you know when its gone its gone for ever and that will be a real shame. I think there is enough intelligent people using this forum to put forward suggestions/ideas on how to achieve it. Thats if the will is there. I think a starting point would be to have a chat on the twenty fourth and see what interest there. I truly believe that approached the right way its achievable. Wouldn't it be nice to have it done up or even a section of it done up in the old style while some of the old furniture etc still exists.
Tommy s
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Post by andybrennan on Sept 4, 2010 21:07:39 GMT
Tommy S.
I replied thrice to your last and each reply dissappered up the super highway never to be seen again, I must accept that as an omen to let that one go.
Andy
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Post by maryfarrell6 on Sept 5, 2010 9:46:29 GMT
Hi TommyS, Brendan and All, You can count me in on your campaign to save the last block in Pearse its a fantastic idea. I like yourself Tommy have an emotional attachment to no.3 and no 10 but, I'm realistic to realise that emotions will hold no clout with the powers that be. What we need is the backing of an official body if this campaigh is going to work and the one I'm suggesting is NIAH{National Inventory of Architectural Hertiage], http://www.niah@environ.i.e..com The reason being is they carried out surveys and did inventories of 13 buidings on the Curragh in the 1990's. One of those was the bottom block in Pearse and they made reference to the other two blocks which at the particular time were still standing. They're appraisal was that the houses represented a part of the continued developement of the military camp in the late 19th century. They were listed in the category of: Special Architectural, Historical and Social interest, reg no. 11902311. Which made me think should the other two blocks have been demolished at all? I know its far to late to do anything to about them but we can't let the other one go the same way without doing our utmost to ensure it remains standing and becomes protected as the last remaining example. You can find all this info and view the photos at www.buildingsofireland.com just click onto kildare and then view surveys and then click curragh camp when you come to the picture of the post office at the bottom of page click onto view photos. Because I think the priority is first and foremost to get the block under a protection order and then worry about what it can be used for after that. I really do hope this information will be of some help to all of you who can decipher all the technical jargon ie: Granada Convention, Planning and Developement Act 2000. and R,P,S and know how it use it. Let me know if its of any use and what I can do if anything to help! Best of Luck MaryF
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