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Post by Guest on Jan 3, 2008 13:51:44 GMT
Matt Fantastic info re Boys roll of past pupils. However EQUALITY MATTERS. And still awaiting same for the GIRLS.
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Post by Matt McNamara on Jan 4, 2008 8:02:26 GMT
Hi Guest
The Roll Books are a difficult one. I had a contact in the boy’s school where I went to school. And getting the books was no problem, but the after about the first 500 names entered to education dept decided that all children be entered in Irish. Now my level of Irish is not great and to translate Irish names into English and was quite difficult between that and the style of writing used in those days. It was taking me a lifetime. Now if anybody reads this thread and lives in the Curragh / Kildare /Newbridge area and has a good grasp of Irish and can translate the names for me, I will gladly put them on the site as it is a good source of family history. I hope that this answers your query. Hopefully somebody with a little spare time will take up on this.
All the best
Matt
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Post by Kentgal on Jan 4, 2008 12:31:29 GMT
Matt Good Idea. Put them up I will print them off and have them translated.
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Post by Matt McNamara on Jan 5, 2008 18:59:52 GMT
Thanks Kentgal for the offer but I am afraid there is a little more involved than that. This would have to be a group project as there is probably in excess of 6 to 7 Thousand entries in both schools and the time involved would be great, not to mention the security of these historical documents. I was hoping that the school committes in the schools or some group in the Curragh would undertake this as pert of The Curragh History. When I was doing the boys school it took me about 2 weeks to do about 550. And that was about an hour a night.
Hopefully some Curragh group will take this up.
Matt McNamara
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Post by Brendan on Jan 5, 2008 21:35:56 GMT
Matt:
I don't know what format the files/documents are in. I can help to sort them in a database - confidentiality is assured - I will return them to you reconverted, in both Irish and English, and in alphabetical order. If this is a solution, let me know what format you'd like them in i.e., MS Word, Excel, or MS Access etc.
Thanks,
Brendan
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Post by Matt McNamara on Jan 6, 2008 19:22:15 GMT
Again thanks for the offer Brendan, but the information is still in the Roll Books and has to be manually entered into a Access database that I have already created. It is so time consuming and then there is the Irish translation which slows every thing down. And when I say translation I mean every name after the first 550 or so is in Irish, even today the students are registered in Irish. I am afraid that my two weeks was hard going and I still think that this would have to be a Group Project as it is too big for any one individual to undertake.
Thanks again
Matthew
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Post by rose5mcdonaghtce on Nov 1, 2008 23:14:01 GMT
In the 60's first holy communion was made in first class and the bishop came every three years to confirm the boys and girls from fourth, fifth and sixth class. There was a Catcheism (don't know if I spelled that right) examination about a month before the actual confirmation, this was held in the Church and the questions were asked by the Bishop and if you failed you were not allowed receive the Sacrament. We were told we would become Soldiers of Christ, for about two weeks before this nerve wrecking exam we had religious instruction from 9.30 until 3.30 every day nobody in my class objected to the break from Irish, sums, tables etc.,
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Post by Helena on Nov 3, 2008 19:00:18 GMT
Hi Rose,
Have been reading some of your posts, what a memory you have. I had forgotten half of these happenings until you brought them all flooding back, thank you. I remember all the rehearsals in the church for communion and confirmation. I also remember being frightened that if I did not answer the Bishop's question correctly that I would not be confirmed. We believed everything we were told then!!! Do you remember the monthly confessions, when we would be brought over to the church and our confession would be heard, sure we didn't even know what a sin was then. The innocence of it all.
Helena
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Post by rose5mcdonaghtce on Nov 4, 2008 22:57:21 GMT
Hi Helena, Never minded the fact that we missed Irish on the Friday to go to Confessions, but when we got to the Church we never got our choice in what priest we went to. There was one particular priest I hated going to confession to when I was a child. Nothing sinister in it just that Dad had relatives who lived quite near to where he was reared and he would have a chat with me after confession. Always thought the rest of the class would think I had a lot of sins. Imagine sending a 6/7 year old into a dark box to start with bless me father and do the whole spiel. Being told to examine your concience, used to think what will I tell him to-day and make up sins and try to keep them all venial. Miss O'Brien loved talking about hell fires and how we would burn there for all eternity and nobody could help us. Trying to swallow communion without it touching your teeth, trying to get it off the roof of your mouth, walking back from the rails all pious afraid to look at anyone in case you smiled. Any wonder there were children throwing up outside the church on a regular basis.
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Post by rose5mcdonaghtce on Nov 6, 2008 21:35:26 GMT
Peggy Lawlor used to have a nap in the afternoons, she would sit on the first desk at the row near the radiator and get us to read from our Fact and Fantasy english books individually, between the heat and I suppose the boredom she would nod off. This was a great opportunity if you had a toffee under your desk for a nibble. Peggy had a poster on the wall near where the altar was of Dublin Airport with a yellow and brown CIE tour bus approaching the terminal building, used to look at that every day and wish I was on it. Loved filling the inkwells from the teapot. Loved fridays when Boo Boo was brought around to hear what tale of woe she had about her mother being sick and needing money to go to hospital etc., and to see what outfit she had on.
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Post by rose5mcdonaghtce on Nov 6, 2008 21:53:37 GMT
When in the old school the girls who were doing the Primary Cert were allowed to have their lunch in the little green that was railed off between the entrance to the boys and girls sections on the bottom road. Usually after Christmas there would be a big freeze, the heating nearly always gave up and we would get a day or two off because of the cold.
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Post by Helena on Nov 6, 2008 22:16:12 GMT
Hi Rose,
I vaguely remember the old school on O'Higgins Road (started out there but dont't think it was too long before the new school opened) but have to say when we moved to the new school we thought we were in the lap of luxury. We had a lovely assembly hall where we had many a concert and great laughs. Peggy Lawlor never taught me but I did have Mrs Ford and Mrs Rowley. I remember Mrs Ford had a cane which she used freely.
Helena
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Post by rose5mcdonaghtce on Nov 6, 2008 22:37:53 GMT
Hi Helena, I had Peggy in 4th 5th and 6th class she used to give us cookery lessons in the kitchen in the school. Remember she had us do boiled mutton and parsley sauce for a competition, the scum from the mutton on the plate when she would get us to skim it was disgusting. But taught us how to make bread, sponges, buns and stews and casseroles. Kids did'nt and don't get cookery lessons in national school. Remember she got us to make green gingham aprons, cuffs and hair bands for these lessons. Never had any dealings with Mrs Ford. Did you have Mrs McCormack at all.
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Post by Helena on Nov 7, 2008 23:32:08 GMT
Hi Rose,
I did have Mrs McCormack, she must have been alright because I don't have any bad memories of her!!! I certainly remember the green gingham aprons etc, have to say we made a lovely job of them. You are reminding me of things that I had completely forgotten about. You have some memory. I remember I had Miss Lawlor, do you remember her? she taught us how to make pancakes during our cookery classes in the kitchen. Can you remember some of the names of the girls in your class? When a friend of mine celebrated her 50th birthday the principal of the girls' school gave me a copy of all the girls in her class, we had a great time translating the names from Irish into English. At that time we were all registered by our Irish names.
Helena
Helena
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Post by rose5mcdonaghtce on Nov 8, 2008 22:03:48 GMT
Hi Helena,
Girls in my class, Mary Butler, Margaret Hipwell RIP, Marion O'Brien, Noeline Poole, Marion Kelly, Mary Farrell, Joan McCormack, Monica McDonald, Mary Barry, Sophie Ryan, Ber Prendergast, Carol Harpur, Cecilia Cadogan, Kay Fahy, Jennifer Brennan, Noeline Reilly, Patricia Connors, Siobhan Campbell, Janet Reilly, Ann McMahon, Marion Lawlor, Breda O'Sullivan, Colette Fahy, Patricia Murray, Therese Cunningham, Ann Savage, Kathleen Murtagh, Carmel Tobin, Kathleen Kelleher, Ann Dempsey, Luke Kelly's RIP daughter cant for the life of me remember her christian name and Bernadette Behan. Colette Fahy was called on the roll before me. Peggy kept a small row over at the wall where she could keep a good eye on the occupants who consisted of: Mary Butler, Mary Barry, Noeline Poole, Margaret Hipwell, Marion O'Brien, Monica McDonald, Ann Savage and yours truly. As far as I am aware we never gave her any grief but do think we were inclined to be chatterboxes and to fidget remember that word. Lumping all of us together seems to be a bit silly. She kept a map of Ireland and one of Europe on the wall above us, every time there was a geography question we were first to be asked. The map of Ireland was printed in Irish, would'nt have known where the counties/rivers/mountains were in English so no hope there. Hated Tuesdays and Thursdays sewing days, the Ma was handy with the needle and at the knitting, I could barely thread the needle never mind sew. Every time she asked to look at my sewing she would pick it up like it was something she brought in on her shoe, but looking back don't blame her it was always a bit manky and she would ask me how many times I had it up the chimmney, then I got the spiel about the Ma's skills and the sisters. Gave me my sewing copy once to bring home and show the Ma and wanted to know her views on the sorry article. Was'nt going there so I showed it to the Da, his response was if you can't sew you can't sew, went for the easier option, not that the Ma would have flaked me or anything just she might have started giving me lessons and of course would have got the Mammy lecture. The worst thing about Peggy I could say is she had my sister for three years before me and I listened constantly to how marvellous she was at everything, never gave any trouble etc., when I know for a fact that class drove her crazy quite a few rebels in it. Harmless but would push it a bit. I answered An Seo to Roisin Ni Gabhann.
Rose
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