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Post by afcmoore on Jul 7, 2010 17:59:35 GMT
Hi Andy.
I'm a bit like an outsider looking in but i do like to read and find out what's happening in the auld Country.
Mr O Cromwell is another of my favourite subjects not because i admire anything he ever did i reckon he must be the most evil person to set foot in Ireland.
Ref the purple and gold your parents did come from ? Wexford or am i mistaken.
Back to Cromwell Ex Mp John Prescott said he was so proud of him as he came from Hull .
The Brother in-law is a great man on Irish History and has just given me a book Hell or Connaught The Cromwellian Colonisation of Ireland 1652-1660 By Peter Berresford Ellis.
Cheers.
Anthony
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Post by andybrennan on Jul 7, 2010 18:24:31 GMT
Tony,
Just before the kick off,
Parents not from Wexford, don,t know where that !Storey! came from,
As for Cromwell two phrases he is reputed to have coined are
"water water every where and not a drop to drink" and that most versatile word "F...".
now I am away to have a gander at Spain v Germany.
on Germany if if if they had taken over, over here we would be in the World Cup tonight
Andy
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Post by kellquinn on Jul 7, 2010 21:47:42 GMT
Hi all
I guess the German Invasion of Spain will not take place after tonight.
Gott in Himmel!
Regards
JKelly
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Post by afcmoore on Jul 7, 2010 22:24:15 GMT
Hi All. I see our old allies Spain beat the Germans tonight olay olay. The panel looked please on BBC1 they had smiles like Cheshire cats. ;D ;D ;D ;D Well done Spain i hope they lift the cup on Sunday. Well Andy i was sure you mentioned relations in Wexford ah perhaps the auld mind is playing tricks.      Cheers ;D Anthony  |
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Post by andybrennan on Jul 7, 2010 23:52:26 GMT
Tony
I was glad to see spain beat The Germans as I had a few £sd on Spain
As for Wexord My Stepdad was from there.
A nice place to visit but the cost of their produce sold by the sid of the road a rip off.
Andy
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Post by afcmoore on Jul 8, 2010 23:43:17 GMT
Hi Andy. The strawberries are second to none like fruit from heaven .  The spuds balls of flour cheap at half the price.  I knew you mentioned been related to someone from Wexford in earlier posts not completely right but almost in the frame . Well with all the money you made off Spain you can treat yourself to Wexford strawberries & cream yummy.  Cheers ;D Col Ant |
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Post by Matt McNamara on Aug 10, 2010 13:35:02 GMT
IT was a deadly warning from Hitler to the de Valera government to stick to its policy of neutrality or else face the consequences.
On August 26 1940 the tiny village of Campile in Co Wexford was bombed by the German Luftwaffe, killing three local women and giving Ireland -- until then largely insulated from the terror of World War Two -- its first experience of the conflict.
Sisters Mary Ellen (30) and Kitty Kent (26) and restaurant worker Kathleen Hurley (27) all perished after the Heinkel bomber dropped four bombs over the Shelburne Co-op and Creamery, demolishing it in a matter of seconds.
Various theories abounded as to why the peaceful village was targeted, including that the German pilots were lost and had mistaken the south-east coast of Wexford for Wales.
It was also suggested that butter boxes emblazoned with the Shelburne Co-op name were discovered by the Nazis a few months earlier following the evacuation of Dunkirk and that the bombing was in retaliation for supplying foodstuffs to the Allied armies.
However, Campile historian John Flynn, who has written a new book to mark the 70th anniversary of the disaster, argues that the bombing was a message from Hitler to Taoiseach Eamon de Valera warning him to keep his promise on Ireland's neutrality.
After consulting military reports, Mr Flynn said it was clear that Campile was a "definite target" that fateful day.
"One theory that has always been battered about is that the co-op was supplying butter to the Allies armies when we were supposed to be neutral.
"There were claims that, a few weeks earlier after the evacuation of Dunkirk, the Nazis found boxes from the creamery. But we know now that's not true as the military inquiries showed the co-op was not supplying the army," he said.
Mr Flynn said instead the co-op was supplying foodstuffs to civilians on mainland Britain and this is why it was targeted.
"The co-op had installed machinery only a few years earlier from a German firm, so the Germans knew what the co-op was capable of doing.
"The bombing was really a warning shot to the Irish government: 'If you say you're neutral, don't supply goods to wartime Britain'."
Witnesses recall seeing two German aircraft flying in over Carnsore Point before turning west and following the Waterford/Rosslare railway line to Campile.
One diverted to Ambrosetown while the other headed to Campile where, shortly before 2pm, it dropped four bombs on the village.
Around 85 people were working in the co-op at the time and fortunately most had left the restaurant following lunch.
However, restaurant manager Mary Ellen Kent and assistant Kathleen Hurley, and drapery worker Kitty Kent, were not so lucky. They were found buried under the rubble of the destroyed building.
Mr Flynn said the terror of that day stayed with the people of Campile for the rest of the war and they lived with a "terrible fear" every time a plane flew overhead.
Some 10 survivors of the co-op bombing, along with the German ambassador to Ireland, Brusso von Alvensleben, and Minister of State Sean Connick, will attend the opening of a new monument and memorial garden at the site on the 70th anniversary of the disaster later this month. Mr Flynn's book, 'Campile Bombing, August 26, 1940', will be published shortly.
Breda Heffernan
Irish Independent
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Post by Brendan on Aug 11, 2010 0:26:47 GMT
Hi to All:
Yet another controversial topic! The world has changed so much over the last 20 years never mind over the last 70 years. One thing has remained constant however, and that is Ireland’s paradoxical stance by remaining neutral, and yet, wanting to be part of the global world, and at the same time, reaping the benefits of the free world.
Glancing through the images of the history mirror, I can only conclude that our former leaders lacked the insight to advance, probably stifled by some archaic ideology and lack of vision, which I don’t want to expand upon for fear of creating another endless debate.
The litany in the ‘cul-de-sac’ mentality is too apparent. One just has to look at the, God awful, decisions made by the current political louts, which makes the old guard look like bloody heroes.
Ah! The status quo remains! Politicians continue to cream the system at the expense of tax payers. When it comes to equal participation among nations, Ireland has to hold its head up high or forget about the bloody false pretenses.
The bottom line is, a nation can’t tip two hats concurrently i.e., one saluting the old order while embracing the rapid change of the world order.
Our role and participation is unequivocally a “team” effort. Whether we like it or not, we either play as a team, or we will always accept a place on the sideline, and NEVER make a difference. My view is that this is unacceptable.
Believe me when I say this. I absolutely HATE war and conflict. Unfortunately we have to deal with evil, most of which is based on some crazy ideology and religious misconceptions. Sadly we have to confront it. Or we lose!
It is not only imperative that Ireland participates, it is our obligation to so.
God Bless Matt McNamara and his team for making a difference in Afghanistan and the world. Afterall we really ONLY read about their achievements in the paper, then again, most of society ignore their heroic accolades because it doesn’t impact most people on a daily basis.
Regards,
Brendan
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Post by andybrennan on Aug 11, 2010 6:55:55 GMT
Hi Brendan,
Have to agree with you re the two hat syndrome, nothing has changed in that respect, it applied when we joined the Euro. the EEC, anything, it seems we want the jam on both sides .
While on the subject of war, I can't but feel for the People of Japan at this time on the anniversary of the dropping of the atomic bomb,
Lest any one start leaping on me about how cruel they were think back to here in Bandon and surrounding areas of Cork when there was cleansing of the ordinary Protestant people of Ireland who were executed like dogs and run or forced out of this their country, evil comes in many guises, some times we just measure it on a scale and ignore it for the so called common good.
Andy
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Post by Matt McNamara on Aug 12, 2010 21:18:15 GMT
IT was a deadly warning from Hitler to the de Valera government to stick to its policy of neutrality or else face the consequences. On August 26 1940 the tiny village of Campile in Co Wexford was bombed by the German Luftwaffe, killing three local women and giving Ireland -- until then largely insulated from the terror of World War Two -- its first experience of the conflict. Sisters Mary Ellen (30) and Kitty Kent (26) and restaurant worker Kathleen Hurley (27) all perished after the Heinkel bomber dropped four bombs over the Shelburne Co-op and Creamery, demolishing it in a matter of seconds. Various theories abounded as to why the peaceful village was targeted, including that the German pilots were lost and had mistaken the south-east coast of Wexford for Wales. It was also suggested that butter boxes emblazoned with the Shelburne Co-op name were discovered by the Nazis a few months earlier following the evacuation of Dunkirk and that the bombing was in retaliation for supplying foodstuffs to the Allied armies. However, Campile historian John Flynn, who has written a new book to mark the 70th anniversary of the disaster, argues that the bombing was a message from Hitler to Taoiseach Eamon de Valera warning him to keep his promise on Ireland's neutrality. After consulting military reports, Mr Flynn said it was clear that Campile was a "definite target" that fateful day. "One theory that has always been battered about is that the co-op was supplying butter to the Allies armies when we were supposed to be neutral. "There were claims that, a few weeks earlier after the evacuation of Dunkirk, the Nazis found boxes from the creamery. But we know now that's not true as the military inquiries showed the co-op was not supplying the army," he said. Mr Flynn said instead the co-op was supplying foodstuffs to civilians on mainland Britain and this is why it was targeted. "The co-op had installed machinery only a few years earlier from a German firm, so the Germans knew what the co-op was capable of doing. "The bombing was really a warning shot to the Irish government: 'If you say you're neutral, don't supply goods to wartime Britain'." Witnesses recall seeing two German aircraft flying in over Carnsore Point before turning west and following the Waterford/Rosslare railway line to Campile. One diverted to Ambrosetown while the other headed to Campile where, shortly before 2pm, it dropped four bombs on the village. Around 85 people were working in the co-op at the time and fortunately most had left the restaurant following lunch. However, restaurant manager Mary Ellen Kent and assistant Kathleen Hurley, and drapery worker Kitty Kent, were not so lucky. They were found buried under the rubble of the destroyed building. Mr Flynn said the terror of that day stayed with the people of Campile for the rest of the war and they lived with a "terrible fear" every time a plane flew overhead. Some 10 survivors of the co-op bombing, along with the German ambassador to Ireland, Brusso von Alvensleben, and Minister of State Sean Connick, will attend the opening of a new monument and memorial garden at the site on the 70th anniversary of the disaster later this month. Mr Flynn's book, 'Campile Bombing, August 26, 1940', will be published shortly. Breda Heffernan Irish Independent Thursday August 12 2010 Congratulations to historian John Flynn on his new book recalling the German bombing of the Shelbourne Co-op creamery at Campile, Co Wexford, in 1940. The bombing claimed the lives of three female workers at the co-op and the Irish government delivered a swift rebuke to the Nazi regime at this apparent breach of Irish neutrality. Conspiracy theories abound as to why Campile was "chosen" as a target by the Luftwaffe. One states that someone associated with the co-op had been supplying boots to the British Eighth Army in north Africa and the Germans discovered this and sought revenge. Another theory is that butter wrappers from the creamery were seized from captured British troops and that Hitler, upon hearing of this, ordered the immediate destruction of the creamery. A far more likely explanation, in the light of what we now know about the aerial warfare conducted in the opening months of the conflict, is that the British had employed their highly effective "radar bending" tactics to deliberately confuse German aircraft and throw them off course. From the sky, the Campile creamery looked very much like a factory. The nearby railway station would have added to its perceived importance. The attack was therefore almost certainly accidental, and this view is reinforced by the fact that the German government promptly apologised and offered compensation for the bombing. John Fitzgerald CALLAN, CO KILKENNY Irish Independent |
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Post by Brendan on Aug 13, 2010 3:31:27 GMT
Hi to All:
Forgive my cynicism, but to use the excuse that the bombing in Wexford, was “accidental” is a little over the top. The Germans were pretty accurate when the blitzed Dublin, Manchester, Coventry, Liverpool, Manchester and then Belfast with over 200 bombers were pretty accurate in my estimation. To suggest that it was an oversight, is somewhat, "fairytale" to say the least.
Staying with the basic point that if “WE” the Irish, sit on the proverbial fence when it comes to NEUTRALITY, means we’re only fooling ourselves. We can continue to sit in our armchairs proclaiming that we are neutral in the hope that the nation(s) that support us are victorious. Shame on us!
Let’s get with the programme, along with our allies, and fight the scourge that threatens our very existence. Plain and simple, it’s called evil!
Food for thought!
Brendan
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Post by andybrennan on Aug 13, 2010 7:14:53 GMT
Brendan,
Hi,
re the bombings I was also of the opinion that there was pinpoint accuracy, but after watching a documentary recently on the Taliban where the US and other forces tried in vain with the latest technology to bomb a building in a Fort containing the Taliban, and said bombings were / are supposed to be accurate to 12 meters, but alas they ended up killing 200 of their own, under this concept of killing by friendly fire,,,,how can a killer no matter what the name be friendly.
Neutrality a different kettle of fish, lots of pros and cons there
Andy
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Post by andybrennan on Aug 13, 2010 21:33:55 GMT
Hi Brendan,
Re Neutrality, somehow I feel that as a country we are to poor, to be any thing but neutral, tis a bit like being in a large company, and being a member of the union, or not, what ever the union gains for its members, the non members also gain, a bit like sitting on the fence.
I would have no problem with Ireland being part of an International Force, be it military, police , humanitarian or all, but with the backing of the United Nations or some such body of many countries, as to align to one ,or a few countries, leaves us at the behest of that alliance.
I can't help but think of of boxer, in Orwell's Animal Farm, where one is great till they have outlived their usefulness.
As other countries remain neutral and continue to add to their commerce laws etc, are put under no pressure to be other then neutral ,why not us.
Just my thoughts , not faulting your thinking on the subject. used to be a total advocate.
Andy
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