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Post by kellquinn on Sept 8, 2010 18:57:15 GMT
Hi Jerry Yes you are right about the extensions to the quarters in Clarke Plunkett and Connolly and lastly Mc Dermott, they were built in the early 70s long after the original Quarters, these toilet, bathroom washouses did away with the communal toilets shared by the occupants of quarters, cold, dank, and sometimes a long way from the house especially late at night and in the freezing cold, there were four toilets at each end of the Verandahs, the only saving grace you often got a free read of a comic, left behind by caring neighbours.
Regards JKelly
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Post by kellquinn on Sept 8, 2010 18:58:51 GMT
Jerry me again. Nice to have met you last week, I also bumped into Pat the next day, trying to get him up for the next Shadowers meeting/ Jkelly
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Post by johnnykelly on Sept 8, 2010 21:55:59 GMT
Re: Growing up in Pearse the things I remember!!! Hi all The block that Gerry is referring to is the only block in Mc Dermott Qtrs left standing and has always been pebble dashed as the houses at the rear just in front of the Tech, were of the same design as Ceannt Mqtrs, it was in the late 60s that the toilets/ bathrooms were built on in McDermott /PLunckett/ Connolly/Clarke thesequarters were the ones with the verandahs on the front. and thereby brought more comfort to the occupants, ps would the current occupants not be entitled to squatters rights? as they have been living in their houses more than3/5 years?? now theres something for the minds to wrangle with, bye for now Johnny
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Post by kellquinn on Sept 8, 2010 23:29:14 GMT
Hi Johnny No such thing as squatters in Married Quarters. Overholders is their given title since time long gone. You are all wet with the refurbishments to the Qtrs in Connolly/Plunkett Clarke and Mc Dermott. They were started in early 70s. Your Big Bro Joe
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Post by Brendan on Sept 9, 2010 12:16:45 GMT
Johnny:
You pose an interesting question regarding squatters’ rights vis-à-vis the overholders living in married quarters. Squatters’ rights is still a grey area in Ireland. When I spoke with the gentleman at the Department of Defence, he indicated that married quarters were now “managed” by a property management company. It is a strategic ploy because it gives senior brass an out to say that it is outside their control when the real squatters are eventually evicted. Those who fall into the squatters’ category are those who are not paying rent or utilities, which essentially means they are living off the Irish taxpayer.
Overholders however have legitimacy in that they have a legal right to be there, and they are paying rent and utilities (electric) etc. The widows are a case in point. The bureaucrat told me that they will be allowed to live in their homes until they die. The other legitimate overholders, if there are any, will be given notice to vacate and will be assisted by the county council. The squatters will be evicted by court order. I can only assume that this hasn’t happened yet, because the new Minister for Defence doesn’t want bad PR.
It took the Pat Kenny high court case to bring squatters’ rights to the fore, particularly adverse possession. This is interesting because if there are some squatters who have being living in their house for more than 12 years, and some legal eagle takes up their case, anything may happen. I guess this is one reason for the department to demolish most of the married quarters to avoid litigation. Sadly, Ireland is probably the only country that is moving away from housing the families of its soldiers.
Food for thought.
Brendan
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Post by andybrennan on Sept 9, 2010 18:36:51 GMT
Matt I agree to the purpose as outlined by you re deceased, family friends etc. It is a nice way of imparting that sad information that might otherwise be missed by forum members. I can also see the merit in Dans thinking, a file to hold all these sad notices in one place i.e Memorial, or some other suitable title??.
Andy
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Post by andybrennan on Sept 9, 2010 18:43:25 GMT
Guys
Re the extensions on the back of the quarters, all the ones with verandha's. When I lived in Clarke these were built mid to late 1960 as I do remember them being a part of my life prior to my leaving the bosum of the Camp, mid 1971, they were not there pre 1965.
Andy
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Post by andybrennan on Sept 9, 2010 18:54:45 GMT
Brendan, Johnny and Joey,
Ref over-holders or squatters name just a name to me, Having being one or the other for a few years I can not add any information as to how payment for rent or utilities were settled. In my time I have no idea if my mother who had the title widow ever paid anything, The offspring's of deceased parents would probably have fell into the same category, the only people that the department could get payment from were over-holders who had a gratuity or pension. until recently one of the payment was held against payment with the balance being refunded on handing in the key of the house.
The term squatter I can be corrected on this, but is it where the squatter offerers rent and it is refused, or rent is sought but not paid or neither??.
Andy
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Post by rose5mcdonaghtce on Sept 10, 2010 0:45:29 GMT
Hi Andy,
Doubt there is anyone in quarters where a family member who was a serving soldier did'nt sign for keys, while they may not be entitled to a pension they would have paid rent while serving and if rent was'nt agreed and collected when they came out and they remained living undisturbed by the landlord for a number of years they are squatters. Would love to see what they actually signed, what the conditions of the tenancy were. When Dad passed away in 76 he was only 52 and still serving, for the life of me I can't remember the name of the officer (must look it up) who arrived at the house the morning after his death the help he gave to myself and Mon with regard to the funeral, collection at the airport of Dad's brothers etc., was second to none, he also in the weeks after helped with the paper work regarding the Caf and Bow insurance, pay roll and so on. As there was only myself and Dad in the house at the time, he informed me that while I remained living in the house Dad's pension would not be released, I was'nt told I could stay but neither was I told I had to go and there was no mention that I might be interested in renting the property, as far as I could see I could have carried on living there with no changes apart from the pension being tied up. I know that the witholding of the pension has since changed. A squatter is someone who has been served a notice to quit and has failed to vacate the property within the specified time or someone who takes up occupancy without the knowledge of the landlord and as I said already who is basically left sitting in a property with no demands made for rent. Squatters rights and ownership of property can be claimed when the Landlord fails to adhere to the conditions set out in the agreement i.e. fails to collect rents, ignores deadlines or conditions where a property is linked to employment, fails to review the conditions of the tenancy agreement and basically leaves himself wide open to problems.
Rose.
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Post by andybrennan on Sept 10, 2010 19:42:27 GMT
Hi Rose, Never looked on the house as an overholders or squatters to me it was home. Daddy Died 1964 April Fools Day, I am still not amused, as far as I can remember he never got to the pension stage missed it by a few months. I agree that the Liason Officer in our case as well as yours could not do enough or inform mammy of the situation and her rights entitlements. also the soldiers of Clarke are due a massive debt of gratitude for their kindness on daddy's death and for a long time after wards. I was talking to Dickie Kelly recently and he reawakened many a memory of times thought lost. No matter what the title,to us it was home, and I might add a lot of people who lost dads the same feeling of home applied to their particular house.
Another reason why I look forward to Tommy's next project Clarke Bks
Andy
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Post by dan whelan on Sept 10, 2010 20:09:47 GMT
HI ANDY /MATT THE NEW HEADING FOR OUR CURRAGH RESIDENTS IS A NICE TRIBUTE TO THOSE WHO HAVE PASSED AWAY .WITH IT BEEN UNDER THE ONE HEADING IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO OFFER THEIR CONDOLENCES AND THOUGHTS .HOPEFULLY IT WONT BE AS BUSY AS THIS MONTH EVER AGAIN A LOT OF PEOPLE PASSED AWAY OVER THIS PERIOD AND IT IS NICE OF OUR GENERATION TO ADD A FITTING TRIBUTE TO THEM ALL MAY THEY REST IN PEACE. JUST ANOTHER BIT OF INFORMATION I HAVE BEEN ASKED A FEW TIMES WHY HAS THE MONUMENT TO DENNIS( JACK) WHELAN BEEN MOVED AND WHERE TO. JUST TO PUT THE RECORD STRAIGHT IT WAS MOVED WITH THE FAMILY OF JACK,S PERMISSION TO THE MEMORIAL GARDEN FACING THE STATION AND THE CHURCH . THERE WILL BE A GARDEN BENCH AND RAILINGS GOING AROUND THAT GENERAL AREA WHERE THE MEMORIAL WAS AND WITH THE HELP OF OUR GOOD FRIENDS IN JOHNNY KELLY,S WORK PLACE THEY HAVE MADE ME A PLAQUE WHICH THE FIRE CREW AND MY SELF HAVE PLACED ON THE TREE FACING CENTRA .HOPE THIS HELPS THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE WONDERED WHY IT WAS REMOVED. DAN
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Post by andybrennan on Sept 10, 2010 21:13:47 GMT
Dan how goes it,
Matt fair dues to you good to see all deceased members of the \Curragh plus associates under one banner
Andy
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Post by johnnykelly on Sept 11, 2010 19:47:26 GMT
Re: Growing up in Oearse the things i remember!!! Hi all In case anyone takes offence at the mention of the word squatters rights there was no intent on my behalf to name past or present residents as squatters but under current Law, once a person has been on a site /land/ house/ uninterupted for a period of time as regards as to whether they have paid rents donations etc or nil contributations of any sort they are entitled to what is the legal term right to stay in that location once in place for a period of 3/7 years duration, and if a good legal eagle got his hands on a case of this nature he would take strips of the authorities, and the problem lies with the regular turn over of the senior staff officers that have allowed this situation to happen as we said before there is and still exists the Camp Standing Order/ regulations re the quitting of quarters once service has been terminated, but was never enforced and never has anyone occuping quarters been asked to sign a decleration to quit under such circumstances, it is only in the very recent past that this ugly pimple has festered and turned into an unpleasent and stressful time for our peoples still in quarters, but the serving soldier (young ones ) that is should be asking the question ? what quarters are available to me if i get married in the future, and I have asked the younger soldiers to bring this up at recent PDFORRA meetings but it has not been brought up, on the subject of xresidents i met A former Pearse resident from the top block Paul Hughes today as his son was playing in a soccer match that i was refereeing and i was telling him of the Forum and we reminised about nthe good times we had in quarters when we were growing up, and i said to him re the times we kicked ball up against Morans wall and in the Tennis courts 20 a side and no half time just play ball all day long, those were the days bye for now Johnny
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Post by kellquinn on Nov 1, 2010 22:54:57 GMT
The End of an Era. Hi all It was with sadness that I have learned that Johnny Behan ex Sgt 3rd Inf Bn, has departed from the Camp to go and live with his brother in Urlingford. Johnny and his lately departed wife Bernie (RIP), first came to live in the Curragh on the 11th March 1953 to No 34 Connolly, and from there to No 37 Connolly from 1953 to 1956, and then on to No 36 Connolly from 1956 to 1960. Then then moved into No 41 Pearse from 1960 to 1976 and finally to No 39 O Higgins Rd (Ordnance House) from 1976 to 29/10/2010. Johnny who served all his time with the 3rd Inf Battalion until his retirement was a well known and respected Soldier, and raised a large family on the Camp. I am sure all of the Forum will join with me and wish Johnny many more years of happiness in Urlingford. Andy has promised me a photo taken with Johnny handing over the key to the BFW while standing outside the house. Located across from the Ball Alley, near the Board of Works Yard Mc Donagh. My memory recollects Dillons, then Con Reilly, and then Behan’s living there throughout my days. Regards JKelly
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Post by maryfarrell6 on Nov 2, 2010 0:27:18 GMT
Hi Joey. It is indeed an end of an era 57years living on the camp thats got to be a record surely??? I remember Mr and Mrs Behan and all Behans from 41 Pearse Tce, last house on the bottom block! Like yourself Joey ,I too remember the Dillions, then the Reilly's living down in 39 O'Higgins road. The Behans moved in after we'd left the camp so understandably I haven't any recollection of them living down there! But obviously they moved in in 1976 so that particular home holds 34 years of memories for the Behan Family, thats a lot of memories So my heart goes out to Mr Behan [and I really do wish him the best of luck in Urlingford with his brother I wish him every happiness] But I can understand why he would give up the keys to the family home Mrs Behan R.I.P. passed away 10 months ago and sadly when a person finds themselves for the first time in nearly 60 years without your lifetime partner/soulmate, they start to flounder then panic and then some go into a state of depression followed by a complete front of saying "I'm perfectly alright," "you can go home you know I'll be ok, and thats when the emptiness begins to set in because overnight the warm welcoming family house filled with so many memories most happy some sad becomes a cold empty echoeing shell thats now full of sadness and dread. Without your 'other half' you rapidly lose the urge to keep up the campaign to stay in the family home no matter what the cost is. Because now your priorities have suddenly gone for a Burton and you're really hoping that one day you'll wake up and it won't hurt so bad and that life will return to normal. The best any of us can hope for in that situation is that we will be able to adjust to what will then become normal life :(o I really do hope that Mr Behan's new home in Urlingford with his brother will be a happy move for him. God Bless Mr Behan MaryF
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